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Embargo what do you think?

Mine is simple. With all this talk about Obama and Cuba regarding the embargo, as a cigar smoker do you think that the embargo should be lifted on cigars? I am split 50/50. I want it lifted because I think that the race for everyone to get Cuban's that there will be some great deals on all other brands to take advantage of, also I could freely get Cubans. But I dont want it lifted because we might miss out on alot of great cigars from smaller brands. Also from what everyone is saying that if it does gets lifted that the quality of the Cuban cigars would go down. In all honesty Cubans are like weed, just ask around a little bit and you fill find a source.

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Permalink Reply by Kaz on June 9, 2009 at 3:28pm

How do you really feel??????

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Permalink Reply by Eric on June 9, 2009 at 4:06pm

Enacting a trade embargo goes against the principles of a free market economy and in fact supports communism. We have a trade embargo enacted upon Cuba because they are a communist country. I think that pretty much spells out the ridicoulosity of that situation.

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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl, Cookie King on June 10, 2009 at 2:05pm

Well, we are major-league hypocrits when it comes to our criticisms of China. We decry their annexation of Tibet and Mongolia, but look at our own disenfranchisement of Native Americans as what, unfortunate? and stealing the southwest from the Spanish/Mexicans as "manifest destiny."

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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl, Cookie King on June 10, 2009 at 2:00pm

Well, to me your first sentence doesn't make much sense. Perhaps in a libertarian theoretical understanding of free market you buy and sell things from anybody and everybody, but it doesn't work out that way in reality. Private and public policy lock horns but businesses have to follow the rules of the countries in which they want to do business. If you're an American company you're not going to sell uranium to Iran.

And so you're saying that because a trade embargo in your eyes is anti-free market, that supports communism? Again, makes no sense to me. How? Are you so libertarian that to you any government interference or influence in the market equals communism? The only true capitalism is one where all industry is completely unregulated by the government? Wow, that would be a fun world to live in. Talk about dystopia...

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Permalink Reply by Eric on June 10, 2009 at 2:23pm

Anything anti-free market does support communism in that they are two economic systems directly opposed to each other. Now by this definition America does a massive amount of things that support communism, however, enacting an action that supports an ideology that is in direct opposition to your own when the opposing ideology is in place in the country you are enacting said action on is absolutley ridiculous. Yes, the only true capitalism is one in which industry is completely unregulated, which would lead to a proletariat revolution as discussed in the Communist Manifesto in a seemingly self-defeating prophecy by Marx. Marx prophecied the end of capitalism due to it's oppression. Unions begin forming, etc etc. Businesses and the American government begin to see the signs of the economic revolution that Marx spoke of and make the necessary changes to avoid it. Therefore Marx's prophecy has been at the very least delayed for a considerable amount of time by his own writings on the subject. Now the key to keeping capitalism alive has been to feed the working class as little as possible to keep them satisfied and unoverthrow minded. However, I still feel that the system will eventually crumble. I'm not saying it will be replaced by communism as the perfect economic plan like Marx did, but I don't think capitalism will last. Also, I really have no idea what dysentary has to do with any of this. It's not Oregon Trail.

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Permalink Reply by Homebrew on July 27, 2009 at 2:45pm

Hey Man,
Do what you want.

I for one, with continue to enjoy cigars from all points of origin, instead of limiting my selection by excluding cigars from a country with whose politics I disagree.

I don't buy from walmart for the same reasons you don't smoke cuban cigars. But a man has to have his priorities.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

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Permalink Reply by Eric on October 23, 2009 at 6:14am

Obama, please dump this lame embargo.

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Permalink Reply by Seth Thomas Noel aka undertaker on October 23, 2009 at 8:48am

Very true Kaz, I think it should be lifted you know come on we are basically supporting china seems like anything made nowadays is from there and China has the worst human rights record. I would not go full on balls to the wall with Cuban cigars if they lifted the embargo, i have grown to really love a lot of the legal cigars that are different from cuban cigar, and I have had a lot of Cuban cigars . I just hope they lift it one day.

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Permalink Reply by Kaz on October 29, 2009 at 7:02pm

I feel the same way I have a few brands I really enjoy and even if the embargo is lifted who knows how much the cigars will be, but I am pretty sure they are out of my everyday price range.

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Permalink Reply by Andy P. on October 29, 2009 at 12:05am

Currently, it is estimated by a number of sources that 1 out of every 2 cigars made in Cuba get into the hands of Americans living in the US. Further, it is also estimated that the Cubans have stockpiles of leaf stored and ready for production if and when the time comes. They say there will be no problem reaching the demands of the US market. Is there quality with this quantity? I'm not sure as the embargo has affected the ability of the Cubans to get the proper fertilizers and equipment to replenish the soil that has been so overused over the recent years.
So given this and the quality of cigar produced in other parts of the world, I for one do not need to rush to the store to get a Cuban and could care less whether the embargo goes on or not. The only benefit to a lift of the embargo would be it may slow the counterfeit business to some degree.

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Permalink Reply by Loomis™ on October 29, 2009 at 8:55am

I'm split 40/60 on Cuba. I would like to see the embargo lifted for a few reasons and not lifted for maybe more reasons.
I would like tohave the advantage to vacation in Cuba which I understand has some beautiful areas (and not some). The tourist trade going to Cuba from the U.S. in South Florida should cost next to nothing considering all the new tourism business could open up for all the yachts being repossessed. You can be in Cuba as quickly as the Bahamas’s. I would obviously try some of the home grown cuisine; take advantage of the superb sport fishing, beaches etc. My hesitancy are the borders would open up more to a new trail of drug trade into the U.S., will the U.S. be committed to millions or billions of dollars to another country after every hurricane or disaster that hit's Cuba, help fight poverty in another country (of a free world??), will this bring terrorism closer to home than we all would like. The big question is what will Cuba be able to offer the U.S. in turn for their exports? Will they help support the U.S. new car industry, food, technology, or are they going to remain tied to the countries that stood by the Castro policy as they have for nearly 50 years? Is another Castro in power going to allow freedom of speech and elections? I understand this is a Cigar forum but reality tells me that cigars are only one thing; I'm sure if anyone wanted a Cuban cigar they would find one somewhere. There's so many good legal cigars that we all haven't tried yet. As in China the great wall fell and now the U.S. and world have been as close to another depression since then the Great One. Should I be concerned about buying cases of Cuban cigars to store in a bunker in 3, 7, 10 or more years from now if the U.S. monetary system continues to collapse? I believe it's time to tighten the belt and spend our tax dollars on the U.S. citizens, veterans, homeless, hungry, ill, who paid those dollars.

I have no objections to a "Free World" or a Cuban embargo lift as long I don't have to pay for it!

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Permalink Reply by Herbert Kaufman on September 1, 2011 at 10:17am

THE EMBARGO HAS TO BE ONE OF THE STUPIDEST, MOST USELESS ENTERPRIZES BY THE US GOVERNMENT SINCE PROHIBITION. THE CUBANS CAN SELL EVERY CIGAR THEY MANUFACTURE AND THE EMBARGO HAS ONLY MADE CASTRO AND THE CUBAN COMMUNIST PARTY EVEN STRONGER. THE EMBARGO IS LIKE PISSING INTO THE WIND.