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Passive (second hand) Smoking, is truly harmful to your health and the health of others?
We all have heard the argument and the conclusion that ETS is bad and can lead to cancer in smokers and non smokers. But these findings have been the result of flawed studies and cherry picked data to arrive at the conclusion they wanted to arrive at in the first place. Watch this 13 minute video and understand so how wrong the Surgeon General is in saying that ETS kills.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan on -
http://www.forces.org/Multimedia_Portal/index.php?selection=82
Here is the link, the link the embedded player wont work on this site.
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Permalink Reply by Rasheedah Sabreen on -
Greetings and thank you for the link Jonathan. ~Love and Gratitude~
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Permalink Reply by Clay, the watcher... on -
Sorry to hear that SJB.
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Permalink Reply by Clay, the watcher... on
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The problem with this discussion is that is ever so complicated. I will try to put my thoughts down in a coherent matter.
Did you know that if you smoke 1 cigar a day or less, you actually have a lower chance of lung diseases? This is according to the governments own studies. You are also considered a non-smoker. (not by the insurance companies however)
Let's assume that what the government says is all true, it does have many points of merit. What they fail to disclose is that "second hand" smoke is all around us anyway. It is no coincidence that lung diseases are up to 150 times more prevent in cities near coal burning power plants. The same is true of large metropolitan areas with high car density, more smog, more issues.
I beleive the real reason is convience. We all need cars and power, we don't need smokes. Add that to the jobs that would be lost if we went solar (no more refinery workers) and I believe you are coming closer to the truth. The problem with my argument is, if we enlighten the government, we would really see what taxes and regulation in the tobacco industry means.
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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl, Cookie King on -
I can easily believe that second-hand smoke could be a contributing factor toward contracting serious maladies. That being said, there's still a lot we don't know about smoking, and we know even less about some of the other contributing factors. And while it is in vogue to study how smoking makes us sick, there is much less political motivation to study many other contributing factors. For example, what are the costs of living in a society where pretty much everything is petroleum-based? The vast amount of non-organic foods are grown using petroleum-based fertilizer, etc. But because the petroleum industry is so strong, it will be many many years before we see any government-funded studies on the effects of breathing air filled with car exhaust, etc., etc. And that's just one example.
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Permalink Reply by Clay, the watcher... on
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Well said.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan on
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Gunns, I how hard it is to even give this research any thought. thought I didnt intend this as a debate more as an informative article about the truth about ETS. I dont blame you for thinking its just impossible not think ETS doesnt harm, after it we have been subjected to it for now 40 years. So its kinda been engineered to you and to think otherwise is like trying to stop smoking! But even now wth the climate debate finally showing that data was skewed and maniputlated to arrive at a pre determined thesis, then you know we should think more and not belive everything we hear.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Brown on -
This is one of those debates that just can't be won on either side. Too many genetic/human factors that contribute to people getting various cancers. As I have been telling my kids lately, (they are hitting them hard with anti tobacco facts at school), it's about moderation. Too much of anything is bad for you. At some point everything has the ability to harm. It is each person's responsibility to take care of themselves. Personal responsibility has gone by the wayside in favor of govt telling us what we can and can't do and why. Personally I'm inclined to ignore anything the govt says and take responsibility for myself and my family. I enjoy a cigar when I can, maybe once a week or every other week. I would like to have time for more, but I just don't. Again, moderation is the key. When we go back east to Philly every year I laugh when I hear people complaining about someone smoking in their car while stuck in traffic. Do you really think that all the exhaust you can't seem to smell is not hurting you, but that damn cigarette might? Common sense my friends, common sense.
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Permalink Reply by Kay Larson on -
It doesn't matter. Everything kills you eventually. So be polite... smoke outdoors or in places where other like minded people hang out. I think it's rude to smoke where other people are offended. Courtesy is always in order.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Geertson on -
It does appear that our society has gone moronic on this topic, as well as other "personal safety" issues.
In California, finding a place (other than a cigar lounge or your backyard) where smoking is allowed, is almost impossible. The droconian smoking laws in this state (and my wife) have created an environment quite hostile to cigar smoking - and the result is exactly what they are pushing for: I rarely smoke my cigars anymore because it has become such a monumental hassle.
Certainly, a cigarette smoker who burns a couple packs a day for 20+ years is much more likely to suffer from some sort of smoking-related disease, but what about the spouses? Weren't they subjected to second-hand smoke all those years? Where is the peer reviewed, imperical data that definitively demonstrates a link between second-hand smoke and increased risk of smoking-related disease?
Geez, a kid can't even ride a tricycle without a helmet, elbow and knee pads. It seems we have gone way overboard with personal safety concerns.
I believe second-hand smoke complaints have little to do with genuine health issues and more to do with control or just a dislike of the smell - but the health concerns are used to justify the control.
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Permalink Reply by Eric The Flippin Amazing on -
I am a very strong proponent that if you are carrying a cancer genome, you're going to get cancer if you push that specific type of cancer.
My grandmother smoked for 50+ years, at least 1 pack a day, not a single lung issue, ever
My grandfather (her husband) smoked for 60+ years, at least 1 pack a day, not a single lung issue, ever.
My other grandparents never smoked, never drank but lived down in the south and ate high fat, highly fried foods (even though they were quite skinny) and they both died of heart issues.
I'm not saying that smoking isn't going to create issues, but to make blanket statements stating such is not only incorrect it's blantantly lying.
"may" is a very silly word to use in any warning.
Walking outside during a beautiful day, perfect spring day, light cloud cover, comfortable breeze, great temperature, MAY cause you to breath in a bug during that walk and die. DON'T WALK OUTSIDE DURING SPRING.
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