WHATS UP WITH ALL THE CHE GUEVARA FANS?

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Permalink Reply by boB on November 19, 2008 at 5:30pm

this may be sad, but I've never heard of him.

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Permalink Reply by Liriel the Belly Don-sah on November 19, 2008 at 6:07pm

You know, Albert, this is a discussion Ditch Digger and I have quite often. How ironic is it that the very people who usually idolize him and where his image would have been killed by his regime? I often wonder if most of them have any idea at all who he really was.

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Permalink Reply by Russell THE cigarman on November 19, 2008 at 9:21pm

Dude you've got to quit yelling at us.
Anyway the Che Guevara fans are a bunch spoiled chaps that have grown up in country that has cellphones, text messaging, 300 channels of crap on a LCD high Def flat screen in an air conditioned house, in a country that will let you go as highs as your talents and hard work will let you and they think we need to steal form the producers of wealth and give to the poor personal decision makers that have squandered their chance at success.
Or they're a bunch 60's hippy wannabes retards that think communism actually works.

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Permalink Reply by Limey B'stard on November 19, 2008 at 10:44pm

Oh dear it seems the PC crowd has found us. Let us hope that the non smoking opinionated simpletons get bored. I myself do not have time for this kind of question. Despite many things Mr. Guervara may have done good or bad I do not ever remember him doing anything for cigars other than perhaps smoking them.

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Permalink Reply by mmk on November 20, 2008 at 8:54am

Limey ~ this discussion is listed as Anything Goes (non-cigar)... we do talk of Politics, Religion, World affairs etc. If you don't like the discussion, don't contribute!

As far as Cigars go, on a cigar based site, I used to be a frequent contributor to the Cigar Review thread ~ the "powers-that-be" took away the Cigar Review folder out of Social Cigar... go figure?

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Permalink Reply by Derek the Cigar Addict on November 20, 2008 at 10:10am

OK fellas, slow down. This is an open cigar based forum. Limey you are entitled to your opinion, but as MMK so gently put it, we discuss many topics some cigar related and some not. You can pick and choose which ones to be apart of.

ALL please show respect for the opinion of others as you would like others to show respect to you and your views.

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Permalink Reply by Jefe on November 19, 2008 at 11:18pm

First let me say I am not here to argue just provide my historical opinion. So don't call me a wacko, commie, or any other simplistic name to bait me into arguing because I am not here to change anyones mind just provide my take on the subject.

Yes most of the people who wear che t-shirts have no idea who he was or what he did in his life.

Whatever your view of Che Guevara is from a modern historical view, you have to try and understand his significance from a historical perspective. First let me say in no stretch of the imagination am I a socialist (more a democratic libertarian) but rather a learner of history and the lessons it teaches us if we care to think about them.
Whenever there is economic turmoil facists and dictators that offer simple solutions to complex problems come to power and are often heralded as heros by their fellow countrymen. I dare say, even here in the good ole USA we were sliding towards the grip of socialism and class warfare at the onset of the great depression until FDR came up with policies that saved capitalism here in America. Che and Castro took advantage of unstable politcal and economic times to promote their brand of agrarian land reform (i.e. socialism) in countries of central and south america where colonial powers were happy to let the status quo go on. Did Che make the world a better place? I don't think so.

But I also think that the sham of a government in power in Mexico that benefits the US in many ways economically and promotes the huge income inequality they currently have in place in Mexico is causing a wave of immigation to this country the likes we have not seen since the early 20th century. So the lesson of Che.....fix the economic and political inequalies in third world countries or face "the people" choosing their own solutions (revolution or fleeing) many of which we know can adversely impact other countries around them.

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Permalink Reply by Russell THE cigarman on November 20, 2008 at 5:53am

FDR saved capitalism? I don't think I've ever heard that before. I guess you're referring to the military industrial complex created by the second world war?

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Permalink Reply by mmk on November 20, 2008 at 8:30am

I think Wikipedia [sic] has explained Che quite well - - -

"Che's desire to create the consciousness of a "new man" driven by "moral" rather than "material" incentives, Guevara evolved into a quintessential icon of leftist-inspired movements as well as a global merchandising sensation.

I guess Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine) saw something 'different' in Che than most main-stream Americans see.

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Permalink Reply by wedgekev1 on November 20, 2008 at 9:38am

i love """ rage against the machine !!! """"

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Permalink Reply by mmk on November 20, 2008 at 11:04am

mmk = CALM LIKE A BOMB

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Permalink Reply by JohnLongIsland on November 20, 2008 at 8:48am

IS THERE A SOCIALISTIC MOVEMENT GOING ON?

No, there's a Marxist movement going on.

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