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Permalink Reply by CSMAnderson on June 30, 2008 at 11:19am

The left coast just keeps pushing and pushing!

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Permalink Reply by Eric The Flippin Amazing on June 30, 2008 at 11:42am

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo California!

I really wish 2/3 of my family didn't live there - I hate the state with a passion.

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Permalink Reply by Ross on June 30, 2008 at 11:58am

i love my state but this shit is ridiculous, i got another smoking ticket yesterday at a car show in calabasas and they passed a smoking ban in my town uh im mad.

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Permalink Reply by mmk on June 30, 2008 at 5:30pm

Wow, this sucks... California makes Illinois appear to be normal... (not)

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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl on July 16, 2008 at 11:20am

We know one thing/person in Illinois who is not even close to being normal (okay, maybe two).

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Permalink Reply by Scott Truesdale on July 16, 2008 at 8:44am

The one thing that makes me just crazy about all anti-smoking legislation is that states and communities are free to limit the use of a legal product while at the same time free to tax the living daylights out of those who choose to sell or use it. To use a gambler's parlance, the system is rigged to always favor the house.

It's my standard argument, but aren't there more pressing issues that Loma Linda should be focusing on than smoking? Do kids have all the books they need? How are the roads? I'd love to see someone get ticketed - or fined - when a child graduation from high school can't read above a sixth grade level. Where's the passionate argument about the "common good" on that and other issues?

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Permalink Reply by KiMbO ShArK on July 16, 2008 at 9:37am

this sucks

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Permalink Reply by Doctor Cigaro on July 16, 2008 at 9:48am

Anyone ever read Georg Orwell's "1984"? It has begun and California is leading the way.

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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl on July 16, 2008 at 11:25am

The things in 1984 have existed for longer than the book has been in existence, i.e., since at least the 1930s, all over the world but especially in the most highly-developed countries. The reality when it comes to terrorism is that governments by and large exist to terrorize the citizenry, to keep us in fear, and our local and federal governments are a good example of this.

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Permalink Reply by Doctor Cigaro on July 16, 2008 at 12:47pm

I agree that it has existed for much longer than most of us realize. I just don't think it been as "in your face" as it is now. Cameras on every corner, gov't enacting laws against personal freedoms, talk of monitoring/policing the internet [not that they're not already doing that... was that a knock at the door?...], asking neighbors to report on neighbors [smoking bans], etc... It's like they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

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Permalink Reply by Eric The Flippin Amazing on July 21, 2008 at 10:31pm

"asking neighbors to report on neighbors"

ummm - you mean just like "National Socialism", better known as "Nazi".

before you laugh it off. If you remove the word "Jewish" and put in the word "smoker" you may find the early signs of treatment eerily similiar. I'm not making light of the massacres of those people, nor do I think we'll come to the point of smokers actually being treated the same overall but, think about how neighbors bore the same "responsibility" to let the "authorities" know of the actions of their neighbors................

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Permalink Reply by Charming Karl on July 16, 2008 at 11:29am

When I hear Loma Linda, I think of the brand of the same name, which makes unappetizing meat-substitute vegetarian food which even I, who love quite a bit of vegetarian food, never eat.

It's good to hear the mayor of Loma Linda speaking up in dissent. One would hope that he would use the resources of his office to make sure that the law is not enforced, to the extent he can get away with that.

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